The Problem With the Xbox...

[Matt]

A lack of first party titles.

Where are the Mario's and Zelda's? Where are the big MICROSOFT titles. Not 2nd party ... 1st party

[8 Ball]

Lick my ass.

[SilentDeath]

Originally posted by Matt
A lack of first party titles.

Where are the Mario's and Zelda's?

wrong forum, try Nintendo....

[SHNAG]

Halo, Mech Assult, Brute Force, just to name a few.

[Kenshin]

actually most of them are first party titles made at microsoft game labs just look at Halo for instance. Thats one of the best selling games ever up there with Half-Life, UT and Quake.

[Iron Chef]

The real question is why so many big Nintendo games are being made by other companies. If someone had told me a few years ago that Metroid Prime and F-Zero were going to be made by companies outside of Nintento I'd assume they had gone mad. Then there's Sega (a former rival) making their only Online games and another company making an Online game service for Nintendo's system. It's quite alarming.

[slimscane]

Originally posted by Matt
A lack of first party titles.

Where are the Mario's and Zelda's? Where are the big MICROSOFT titles. Not 2nd party ... 1st party huh? you could say the same thing about about Sony, Nintendo is the only console make who accually makes and publishes thier own games, not only that but like Iron Chef said, many of thier flagship titles are being made by other companies. All that matters to me is good games. And though Xbox is laking in true first party suport (i.e. none), it more than makes up for it with a plethera of good games:D

[TuckerXE]

All I have to say is that you're lucky you haven't been slammed more than this, Matt. Most of us aren't mindless fanboys - heck, as far as I can tell, most of us have at least two of the three home consoles that are out now. You want to play fanboy? Do it somewhere else.

[Moongoddess]

Amen

[Myukoi]

Why the **** would Zelda & Mario be on Xbox? It's not on PS2.

[TuckerXE]

He's saying "what franchises does Xbox have like Mario and Zelda (both exclusive Nintendo franchises)?"

[SHNAG]

Originally posted by SHNAG
Halo, Mech Assult, Brute Force, just to name a few.

:rolleyes:

[Code_Link]

Halo is the only 1st Party Xbox game with tremendous success. And maybe PGR # 1 (sold over 1,000,000 -- finally). But what else?

[slimscane]

those games were all developed by second party developers, and then published by microsoft game studios. Xbox may not be the leader in console sales, it also may not even be the second, but at least it has one tremendous hit. I am not saying that nintendo games are bad, because it isn't true, they are some of the best games made, but they don't have a game (first or second or even third party) that can get any where near to touching Halo.

[Kenshin]

Slimscane is right except for the nintendo games being bad I can only name 2 nintendo games i actually enjoyed the rest are boring. thats Smash Bros and Zelda i can never get enough of those games we have Smash Bros tourneys at my school they're kick ass.

[slimscane]

?!?! What about Sunshine, Double Dash, and Pikmin!? Those are great games :D

[JohnXE]

Actually I think by 2005 Xbox will have plent o' exclusive games, and really Nintendo is the only company you can accredit for making true 1st party games, Soyn and Microsoft just publish, and in most cases own developers so therefore they are 2nd party games, I don't think if they are 1st or 2nd party it matters, in fact in some ways it is actually better that they aren't in complete and total control of a publisher so that they can have the freedom to do more.

[Code_Link]

Again, full of fanboys.

Of course Microsoft was a success, was someone really skeptical about it? (Not counting Yamauchi)

Of course it was going to enjoy excellent sales, it's the # 2 most recognized brand (After Coca-Cola) and their marketing is brilliant. No one is saying no to that.

Stop with the fanboy flaming. :rolleyes:

[Boondock]

Originally posted by slimscane
huh? you could say the same thing about about Sony, Nintendo is the only console make who accually makes and publishes thier own games, not only that but like Iron Chef said, many of thier flagship titles are being made by other companies. All that matters to me is good games. And though Xbox is laking in true first party suport (i.e. none), it more than makes up for it with a plethera of good games:D

actually, you CAN'T say the same thing about the ps2. it has always had solid first-party support. always. the first party developers are constantly winning awards from different magazines and websites for how good they are. just look at the gran turismo series, or jak and daxter, or the getaway. or even something as old as legend of dragoon... they are ALL solid gaming experiences, and ALL from sony.

i think matt has a valid point when he says he wonders where the solid/good first party support is for the xbox.

[slimscane]

Sony DOESN'T MAKE GAMES!!!! They only publish them, they are like xbox and have several SECOND party developers. So in conclusion i had a very valid point

[Kenshin]

personally i don't think firstparty games aren't that big of a deal it doesn't matter who makes the game as long as its good.

IMO whats making the Gamecube not sell well is how they are still trying to appeal to the younger market. This i svery hard because many of thier brand loyal consumers who would buy it normally are older which PS2 and Xbox appeal to more with thier more mature and violent games, instead of growing with thier market.

[Kenshin]

aw man i killed the thread again

[slimscane]

i don't think you killed it, i just think that we won the argument

[Kenshin]

schweet it must have been my last highly intelectual post.

[8 Ball]

Just like me Kenshin. Always killing the threads.

[Boondock]

Originally posted by slimscane
i don't think you killed it, i just think that we won the argument

whatever. you didn't win the argument with me about how much the xbox actually sucks and how that's the real problem with it. hell, even john, the master of all things and knowledge xbox on this site hasn't done that. simply b/c it's not true in any way.

[slimscane]

You just said that it doesn't have solid first party suport... and you are right, not only is it bad, but it is non-existant. So is Sony's "first party games" because Microsoft and Sony don't develope games, they aren't developers, they are publishers. Sony and Microsoft both have second party games. Nintendo is the only company with First party games

[Boondock]

but that still doesn't stop the fact that the xbox sucks. and yes, that is a fact. to me. so don't dispute that it's not a fact. an opinion is fact to someone, a wise man once said...

[TuckerXE]

I wouldn't say that's very wise. We've been down the "believing something doesn't make it true" road before. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, and entitled to believe it as strongly as they choose to. However, just because something's your opinion doesn't make it a fact, no matter how strongly you believe it.

[slimscane]

Originally posted by Boondock
that is a fact. to me then it is an opinion

[JohnXE]

You guys need to be quiet about all this confusing fact/opinion stuff, I can see what Boon says, but also I don't think he has ever tried, or wants to try good games like Crimson Skies, Mech Assault, PGR, PGR2, Rallisport Challenge, Morrowind, KotOR, Ninja Gaiden, JSRF, and more.

[Boondock]

Originally posted by slimscane
then it is an opinion

at least someone ****ing got it. jesus. you other guys.

it was a joke. of COURSE something that's a fact to me is my opinion. jesus. wordplay guys.

anyways, you're right john, i don't want to play most of those games. that's why i don't own the xbox. crimson skies is good, though, from what i played in EB that one time, so i'll give the xbox that game. the others...eh. whatever. that's just like me saying, 'but those xbox guys never wanted to play...' and then naming a lot of games that are ****ing awesome on the ps2 that you guys write off b/c they're on the ps2. at least i'm not doing that. i wanted to play crimson skies. i want to play SOME things on the xbox. it's just MOST everything else i WANT to play, i can play elsewhere.

[Blacksmurf]

Understand if you like another game system it's prob meant for you. Xbox is taking advantage of a different crowd than PS2 or Gcube. Each system has its pro's and cons but which ever you choose i wish you the best.
ALso the Game Cube sig. Geetttaattaaa Heerrrreeee!!!!

[Kenshin]

exactly Blacksmurf we go over this crap all the time in marketing. Its called a target market, statistically the target market for Xbox is Higher Income, 18 - 30, males. I had to do a study on this for a project while the PS2 aims a little bit lower and hits its target market perfectly iots sales show it and then the gamecube. The gamecube hasn't sold nearly probly because they entirely missed thier target market, or that they were not aiming for the american target as much as the japanese. But none of these are bad systems they jsut don't appeal to me.

[slimscane]

Games I want to play on PS2: Sly Cooper, Rachet and Clank 1&2, Jack and Daxter 1&2. That is it for now, i may think of some more later

[SHNAG]

Its kinda funny That matt didn't support his claim and only posted on his thread once. What a pussy:rolleyes:

[Kenshin]

maybe he just wanted to start some controversy.

[TuckerXE]

Well, it pretty much worked. It is funny, though - gotta agree.

[JoeyC2k4]

Originally posted by Matt
A lack of first party titles.

Where are the Mario's and Zelda's? Where are the big MICROSOFT titles. Not 2nd party ... 1st party



The problem is obviously.....your mom. (j/p)

But I don't undersatnd why fanboys come to an Xbox Site to bash Xbox. Well "Matt" I think your forum name is very creative, and I think you should get out of here before I decide to shove my Timb up your ass...ho.

[Kenshin]

i think it makes them feel like thier console is superior. Not to say its inferior it may just be that they are doubting thier choice in thier purchase so they have to reaffirm to themselves that they have made the right choice in buying.

[TuckerXE]

LOL - that reminds me of something Norm MacDonald said: "You know how some people say that if you're afraid of homosexuals, it means that deep down inside, you really are one? Well that kind of worries me, because I'm afraid of dogs."

[Kenshin]

hahaha thats pretty funny

[MoX]

Halo is successful and many love it -- not me. I'll take Knights of the Old Republic and Metroid Prime before Halo. Halo is decent, but overrated, IMO.

Anyway, first party is a big deal -- yet, if there is strong second and third party support, first party isn't needed. With Nintendo, however, it is basically needed -- Mario and Zelda and Metroid are Nintendo's top titles. I suppose Nintendo is trying to pawn off their games on second/third (like Capcom) party developers in hopes to get new fels to the games.

[slimscane]

metriod = second party

[bowserlx]

lol i dont like nintendo fanboys because all they do is talk shit even though gc still doesnt have a single game thats better then halo lol besides theres lots of xbox games that sold WAY over million so i dont know wth nintendo fanboys are saying. I have gc and no i do not play it anymore because i thought it was horrible in my oppinion. Also, how can they be calling us fanboys when they are the ones with those BIG A$$ nintendo icons lol freakin no lives. Splinter cell pandora tommorw sold over 6 million copies it its first week. p.s. xbox has sold 30% more software then gamecube says G4 channel pulse update so i woulnt be talkin !!!ppp.sss. AMEN!!!

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[SHNAG]

Don't be forgeting ninja giadan!

I recently bet the game now i'm starting to play it over again on successive mode, yes i figured it out, Muria is alot more fun to fight when you know what the hell you are doing.;)

[Kenshin]

yaeh i'm stuck fighting Alma.

[MoX]

Originally posted by slimscane
metriod = second party Metroid Prime is second party, and I never denied or hinted that it wasn't. Previous Metroid games are not. Notice how I said Nintendo is "pawning" them off on other developers? I only said Capcom as a third party because...well, they are making Game Boy Zelda titles.

Originally posted by bowserlx
lol i dont like nintendo fanboys because all they do is talk shit even though gc still doesnt have a single game thats better then halo lol besides theres lots of xbox games that sold WAY over million so i dont know wth nintendo fanboys are saying. I have gc and no i do not play it anymore because i thought it was horrible in my oppinion. Also, how can they be calling us fanboys when they are the ones with those BIG A$$ nintendo icons lol freakin no lives. Splinter cell pandora tommorw sold over 6 million copies it its first week. p.s. xbox has sold 30% more software then gamecube says G4 channel pulse update so i woulnt be talkin !!!ppp.sss. AMEN!!!

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http://www.geocities.com/bowserLx/ I think you have SERIOUS issues and have your "facts" mixed up. First off, just because you don't like GameCube and think it doesn't have good games that can't compare to Halo doesn't mean you're right. IMO, Halo is far beneath that of Metroid Prime for GameCube. Hell, Perfect Dark is my favorite FPS ever. And yes, I own Halo. Big deal. Still doesn't mean I love it.

And Nintendo fanboys? lol, you're the one dissing Nintendo. I didn't read the entire thread but to me it sounds like you're the fanboy because of your attitude towards Nintendo.

[Kenshin]

Originally posted by MoX
IMO, Halo is far beneath that of Metroid Prime for GameCube.

I agree Halo is way over rated. In compairison with alot of the early titles before halo on other systems it was amazingly ground breaking but in compairison with PC games Half-Life is much more fun IMO because of its great fan support that gives us such mods as Counter-Strike and DoD. Halo to me is overrated and not cery fun excluding the multiplayer. (I'd still rather play Half-Life multiplayer though).

and I have to say the bowserlx is a hypocrit.

[slimscane]

Originally posted by MoX
Anyway, first party is a big deal -- yet, if there is strong second and third party support, first party isn't needed. With Nintendo, however, it is basically needed -- Mario and Zelda and Metroid are Nintendo's top titles. I didn't mean it was bad, it just seemed as though it was implied that it was 1st party

[MoX]

Yeah. Halo is good, it's just not GREAT, IMO. Now...Perfect Dark...that's a pimpin' game right there. I loved (since I don't play it anymore...though one day I will again) that game. One of the greatest ever. (Multiplayer with friends + bots = blast)

[bowserlx]

"I think you have SERIOUS issues and have your "facts" mixed up. First off, just because you don't like GameCube and think it doesn't have good games that can't compare to Halo doesn't mean you're right. IMO, Halo is far beneath that of Metroid Prime for GameCube. Hell, Perfect Dark is my favorite FPS ever. And yes, I own Halo. Big deal. Still doesn't mean I love it.

And Nintendo fanboys? lol, you're the one dissing Nintendo. I didn't read the entire thread but to me it sounds like you're the fanboy because of your attitude towards Nintendo."posted by MoX

Lol ur the nintendo fanboy in here haha thats y u skipped everybody's and only read mine. Halo is not over rated because if it was rated T then Bungie would get sued and they would turn out dumb. Just because Mp is rated T it doesnt mean Halo should haha. Halo isnt over rated because theres hella blood in that game i mean alot (blue blood red blood u name it)! if u have that game then u should know that already. Heres some advice.... never be a game developer and i never said i hated GC that is just what u want me to say. Again GC still doesnt have a game better than Halo unless your a fanboy and i bet if there was a survey on halo vs mp halo would hella win because its not as fake as mp and Halo sold WAY more copies then metroid prime so dont even go there u cant even compare those 2 games.

p.s. if u dont like xbox then y r u here? goto http://www.nintendo.com/

[slimscane]

...dude, if i were you i would seriously edit your post before anyone else reads it. I am not being mean, because i understand what you mixed up, but by 'over rated' they meant that too many people say it is better than it actually is (which isn't true =D), not the ESRP (or is it ERSP, or somethin else)

[bowserlx]

lol ah i see. Well i had alot of fun wit that game and because of that game xbox sold millions and it was the first to do that for xbox alone . I got xbox because of this game. I could not stop playing this game because it was so fun and i bet tons of people would tell u the same thing. I kno tons of people who have the same reason as me. I dont think Halo is over rated at all, that is just in ur opinion but not to millions of other people. Halo is what made the xbox. Oh ya do u think Halo 2 will be good?

p.s. thanks for telling me about the over rated thing hehe ^ ^

[MoX]

(I was going to insult you but be thankful for Scotty...BTW, is it with one t or two t's? McBizzel is whack, right?)

That's where you're wrong. According to you, GameCube doesn't have any games worth keeping the system for. That is fine. You are entitled to your opinion, and I won't even deny that you have your reasons. But you are saying that you don't like Nintendo fanboys and that they don't know what they're talking about. Could you get the quotes? I mean, Code_Link said something about selling a million copies, BUT it was for FIRST PARTY only (though the games he said aren't first party). Other than that, I didn't look any further.

Anyway, what stood out in my mind was how you said GameCube doesn't have any games worth playing (your opinion) but I can't say that I think Halo is overrated (my opinion). JUST because I said the game is "overrated" does NOT mean I don't like the game. As I said, I own the game and it is GOOD, but not GREAT. Xbox is a sweet console with a lot of good games. Where did you derive that I am a Nintendo fanboy? Where did I say I don't like Xbox?

I do work for the site, FYI. :)

[bowserlx]

O sorry :-( i was just mad because it sounded like u guys were insulting halo for some reason. ah well. I didnt like that because it is the one game that brought me to xbox and now i have tons of other games i would have never found out about because of this game . Now my friends have xbox because they actually looked at it thx to me. lol well sorry again :-(

[MoX]

Don't worry. I don't really care.

To me, KOTOR is the best Xbox game. Great game, IMO.

[slimscane]

KOTOR was amazing. I can't wait untill Jade Empire, it is going to blow everyone away, agian =). Oh, and it is with two, you got it right (Scotty), my actuall name is with one though (Scot) =), and yeah, Ian's crazy =D

[Kenshin]

I can't wait for KOTOR2 to come out

[JasonXE]

i bought the xbox for xbox live.

[MoX]

Originally posted by slimscane
KOTOR was amazing. I can't wait untill Jade Empire, it is going to blow everyone away, agian =). Oh, and it is with two, you got it right (Scotty), my actuall name is with one though (Scot) =), and yeah, Ian's crazy =D Hmm, Jade Empire should own.

As will KOTOR2. See the EGM pages and preview? Awesome looking.

[Kenshin]

saw the preview in Computer Gaming World